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[CrazyIvan]

Now, time reload SAM launchers for users, has been increased up to 30 seconds (instead - 13 seconds default).

What idea of time of a reloads of the main torpedoes tubes by different sub are?

We can establish it to real parameters.

[goldorak]

Сообщение от CrazyIvan

Now, time reload SAM launchers for users, has been increased up to 30 seconds (instead - 13 seconds default).

Very nice !!!
Now if subs want to go hunting air units, they better be prepared for first shot = kill.

[Jaf]

Состряпал страничку, чтобы хоть как-то всё упорядочить:
http://www.ra-dwx.narod.ru

(не стреляйте в пианиста...)

[goldorak]

Сообщение от Jaf

Состряпал страничку, чтобы хоть как-то всё упорядочить:
http://www.ra-dwx.narod.ru

(не стреляйте в пианиста...)

Hi,

What does this patch fix ?

[Jaf]

Сообщение от goldorak

Hi,

What does this patch fix ?

BB and NB "Freezing" (212, 212A, Collins, Harushio)

Some fixes in doctrines (current cumulative pack)

[goldorak]

The wire antenna in the Lada is not operational.
Is this a bug or the feature was intentionally disabled ?

[CrazyIvan]

Сообщение от goldorak

The wire antenna in the Lada is not operational.
Is this a bug or the feature was intentionally disabled ?

It fixed.
Also as Alrosa FW.

[Гена]

CrazyIvan
Can you make the same (such as the "Gepard") displays on AKULAS/OSCARS II? Please! From the arguments I have that SONAR systems in these projects are exactly of the same type . The fact that the modernization Gepard was to say the least not according to plan, it is doubtful that there is a modified SONAR system. And even if so, then the rest of the subs, though not all, but are also being upgraded. Round narrowband display is nonsence. The spectral representation usually looks like the axis of time-frequency axis or amplitude axis - the axis of frequencies (Gepard style). As one can guess before display and digital media was created, plotters were used to capture the spectrum. So I have no idea why did Sonalysts made so irritative and odd round displays. I also can not imagine the hardware sample of that awful samples of the spectrum, which rotate in a circle, something unreal. Comparison of the spectral components at the normal display a much more plausible. All I have to ensure that Sonalists showed our boats as something unusual (as usually happens when western talks about soviet "ugly" electronics) and they've got it unfortunately. But you did great job and correct this crying injustice in case of Gepard. Maybe it is possible to fix others AKULAS/OSCARS II?
PS: A HUGE "thank you" for your work!

Сообщение от CrazyIvan

Now, time reload SAM launchers for users, has been increased up to 30 seconds (instead - 13 seconds default).

What idea of time of a reloads of the main torpedoes tubes by different sub are?

We can establish it to real parameters.

I have some info about torpedo tubes reload times.
In case of OSCAR replacing of the ammunition in the torpedo tubes takes 5 minutes (© "Udarnaya sila flota" / A. Pavlov. - Yakutsk: Sahapoligrafizdat, 2001 .- 48 pp.). That is 5 minutes for reloading 4 533 mm and 2 650-mm torpedoes. I do not know about remaining projects, I think red 3rd generation subs reload times are similar. Also read in the web about 636, that it takes 15 seconds to reload one torpedo tube.

Sorru for my not perfect english

[CrazyIvan]

Сообщение от Гена

CrazyIvan
Can you make the same (such as the "Gepard") displays on AKULAS/OSCARS II? Please! From the arguments I have that SONAR systems in these projects are exactly of the same type . The fact that the modernization Gepard was to say the least not according to plan, it is doubtful that there is a modified SONAR system. And even if so, then the rest of the subs, though not all, but are also being upgraded. Round narrowband display is nonsence. The spectral representation usually looks like the axis of time-frequency axis or amplitude axis - the axis of frequencies (Gepard style). As one can guess before display and digital media was created, plotters were used to capture the spectrum. So I have no idea why did Sonalysts made so irritative and odd round displays. I also can not imagine the hardware sample of that awful samples of the spectrum, which rotate in a circle, something unreal. Comparison of the spectral components at the normal display a much more plausible. All I have to ensure that Sonalists showed our boats as something unusual (as usually happens when western talks about soviet "ugly" electronics) and they've got it unfortunately. But you did great job and correct this crying injustice in case of Gepard. Maybe it is possible to fix others AKULAS/OSCARS II?
PS: A HUGE "thank you" for your work!





I have some info about torpedo tubes reload times.
In case of OSCAR replacing of the ammunition in the torpedo tubes takes 5 minutes (© "Udarnaya sila flota" / A. Pavlov. - Yakutsk: Sahapoligrafizdat, 2001 .- 48 pp.). That is 5 minutes for reloading 4 533 mm and 2 650-mm torpedoes. I do not know about remaining projects, I think red 3rd generation subs reload times are similar. Also read in the web about 636, that it takes 15 seconds to reload one torpedo tube.

Sorru for my not perfect english

Sonalysts has made it so - because this game. Simply Game.

[Гена]

First of all thanks for your answer (it seems that you prefer english language).

Сообщение от CrazyIvan

Sonalysts has made it so - because this game. Simply Game.

Well, but you try to make it more real, do you? And you made Gepard's displays much better. That's why i asked you to make others also.

[goldorak]

Сообщение от Гена

First of all thanks for your answer (it seems that you prefer english language).


Well, but you try to make it more real, do you? And you made Gepard's displays much better. That's why i asked you to make others also.

Maybe there is a limit with the interfaces we are not aware off.
Maybe the modders wanted to keep diversity with the different russian units.
Really, be glad that Lada and Akula II improved have waterfall displays.
As a russian player you can choose between the good ol' ssaz vs waterfall.
Nato units don't have that choice.

[Гена]

Сообщение от goldorak

Maybe there is a limit with the interfaces we are not aware off.

But there is no need to add new one. Just to make others same as A-II Improved.

Сообщение от goldorak

Maybe the modders wanted to keep diversity with the different russian units.

Bad idea due to identity of SONAR systems mounted on AKULAs/OSCARs.

Сообщение от goldorak

Really, be glad that Lada and Akula II improved have waterfall displays.

Well be sure i am. I can say again HUGE "thank you" to Crazy Ivan and his team (and to testers including you) not only for displays but for entire thing.

Сообщение от goldorak

As a russian player you can choose between the good ol' ssaz vs waterfall.
Nato units don't have that choice.

Nice joke man. NATO players must be happy to have the only good choice.

And finally about "maybe". Maybe so, maybe not, who knows? That's why i just want to know for sure (without "maybe") Ivan's position and opinion about that if possible. To calm down or to wait.

Thanks for your reply.

sertore
Several russian issues show that Alfa has crush depth 400-600 m and operational depth 300-450 m.
Titanium hull itself doesn't guarantee 800 m depth. Sierra has titanium hull but her crush depth is 600 m. Mike sub (built in 1984) with over 1000 m depth had not only titanium hull but moreover number of unique technical decisions such as main ballast tanks inside pressure hull, minimum number of holes/vents, abcense of torpedo loading hatch,etc. Lots of research were done many full/half scale compartments models were built for high pressure testing. And all these meres were done after first Alfa has been designed (built in 1971).

[goldorak]

Сообщение от CrazyIvan

Alfa - Max depth about 500 meters.
It is an easy Sub, actually hull not thick.

Сообщение от Гена

Several russian issues show that Alfa has crush depth 400-600 m and operational depth 300-450 m.
Titanium hull itself doesn't guarantee 800 m depth. Sierra has titanium hull but her crush depth is 600 m. Mike sub (built in 1984) with over 1000 m depth had not only titanium hull but moreover number of unique technical decisions such as main ballast tanks inside pressure hull, minimum number of holes/vents, abcense of torpedo loading hatch,etc. Lots of research were done many full/half scale compartments models were built for high pressure testing. And all these meres were done after first Alfa has been designed (built in 1971).

Yes I think I was mistaken.
I don't have access to russian pubblications (and even if I could I wouldn't understand them since I don't speak and read russian) but I have an english book called "Cold War Submarines" by Norman Polmar.
At page 281 he writes :

Design of Soviet Navy's third-generation nuclear torpedo-attack submarines (SSN) began at 1971 at TsKB Lazurit. Titanium was specified for the design, continuing the developments of a key technology of Projects 661/Papa and 705/Alfa. Beyond reducing submarine weight, titanium would provide a greater test depth in third generation SSns - 1970 feet (600m) - which would be coupled with other SSN advances, including improved quieting, weapons, and sensors.....

So you and CrazyIvan are both correct.
The mystery remains though, why are western publications such as jane's continuing to use the 800m test depth estimate for the Alfa ?
Its obviously wrong and many people continue to believe the Alfa has a 800m operating depth.

[sertore]

Hi, just last comment about request already done by goldorak and rejected by you.

Yes, alfa is a simple sub, but its characteristics include max.depth more than 800m: in our player group we always used this sub with yo-yo tactic to avoid mk48 hunting, just how should happen in real life.

Please consider real features (please check janes or wikipedia, but is is a russian submarine, and you surely know it better than anyone): we feel that a max.depth more than max.dept for an mk48 should be fine, maybe more than 650m like goldorak already suggested.

As already wrote, this is our last comment about this matter, then your decision will be accepted without any other note.

Thanks for support and continue with your super job!